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Zilm · May 18, 2005, 05:17 PM // 17:17

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Originally Posted by Grey Fox

Wait a minute, just to get this straight, wre they saying those things to one another or just venting. cause I vent a lot, but I'm never, ever abusive to other players. And after venting I always try to chat about another strategie.
Am I an AAIP? Or am I just a nice guy with a anger manegment problem.

Why vent on a group that try their best? There is a difference between venting frustration, getting a new strategy together and trying again versus swearing at the team for being f'ups, idiots, morons etc....Thats the best way to take a team that got to the final boss after the second attempt and scatter them. The party dissolved, and we were that close.

The point of my team mix was about balance. Thread after thread in this site talks about balance.

Virtuoso · May 18, 2005, 05:30 PM // 17:30

I could really care less about tha "AAIPs" or whatever phrase you've coined for them. I'd be happy if ascention somehow weeded out all the clueless newbies. Unfortunately, that is not the case.

Everyone wants skills/items/levels now now now and are not willing to put in the effort to learn how to use them correctly. Does that make me an AAIP? I don't know. If someone makes a mistake, I'll let them know it. I'll be friendly and kind and try to explain to them why it would be better if they changed their strategy. But, if they care to argue it further when they are clearly in the wrong, I'll let them know they're an idiot. I guess that does make me an AAIP, but to be honest, I really don't care.

-Virt

DarkzCloudz · May 18, 2005, 05:59 PM // 17:59

It's odd, because I have always had a good, quite, and somehow idle telepathic group when it came to the battle stages. It's amazing, the people I partied with the first time in the game I party with the next time, and we just get every mission and quest, seperate and call it a day.

Maybe im just extremly lucky

Virtuoso · May 18, 2005, 06:30 PM // 18:30

Or maybe they were on teamspeak/ventrilo.

-Virt

DarkzCloudz · May 18, 2005, 06:33 PM // 18:33

Nope, none of us had it or wanted it :P

Virtuoso · May 18, 2005, 06:36 PM // 18:36

Hmm... I was assuming you misspelt "quiet" and then said "somehow telepathic" that perhaps you were in a group that was in a voice server but you weren't. I can only imagine what other players think when they join a group with out guild. We rarely talk in party chat.

-Virt

Phantom Force · May 18, 2005, 08:19 PM // 20:19

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Originally Posted by Oh Em Gee

P.S.
Mind if I asked what server were you on, Phantom? =)

The LS I created was on Leviathan... if you were on Levi then you could already assume who I am. The LS was Silent Crusaders.

Phantom Force · May 18, 2005, 08:21 PM // 20:21

I also must add that Spooky spoke it very well. In games like these it all boils down to finding good players that you meet and connect with. When you find those players make sure you keep in touch. When you find those select players that are poor teammates/teamplayers and trash the team when you fail once, then just move on. 99% of the time it's a losing battle because like Spooky said you'll never change anyone who doesn't want to be changed, sad fact of life.

Rahne Sinclaire · May 18, 2005, 09:33 PM // 21:33

I don't condone yelling at people if they made a mistake, but sometimes you can only get their attention that way.
Hell, we had a player the other day (Good Smith), who wouldn't even listen when we yelled at him/her.They kept on running ahead of us like they knew what they were doing, and attracting lots of mobs. It was really frustrating.
I don't know where I'm going with this, I just felt I had to add something.

PieXags · May 18, 2005, 09:58 PM // 21:58

Hey, I'm arrogant!

On a different note. I know exactly what you mean. I hate it when you get the worst of players in your party, not skill-wise or experience-wise...personality wise. I can't stand it when I get an asshole on my team who randomly starts shouting about hitler and doing not-so-nice things to a certain group of people. Made me want to kill the guy so much I just left the mission 20 yards away from the end-door. I didn't want such a load of filth in my cut-scene.

Did I mention he died excessively? Yeah, it is good once you get later on in the game because you don't have so many people like that.

Black Metallic · May 18, 2005, 10:18 PM // 22:18

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Originally Posted by trashbin

... I've been on teams with a lot of abusive, arrogant, intolerant players, call them AAIPs. I've noticed these teams have very low success rates in the diffcult missions, such as those required for assension. The team rapidly fragments and disolves and is unable to learn from it's mistakes, since the AAIPs turn any attempt to discuss what went wrong into a discussion of their team members shortcomming, and their own superiority. Most of their messages degenerate into ----s at these times....

Snipped for brevity. I'd be willing to wager that most of the same people who do what they want in a group (such as running off right after the bonus quest and heading back to town, who teleport out of the arena as soon as they die, not willing to stick it out, etc) are one in the same. They want the instant gratification/attention/reward that is given in some other games. If they can't find it asap, they just move on. There really isn't anything you can do about them other than as some mentioned, ignore them. You can also add the people who scream at you for going into the level 1-10 arena (or any pick up arena) if you're not maxed out in levels. I made a monk and wanted to see how some skills worked out. In the pick up arena you lose nothing for going in. First game in at lvl 5 (out of 10 max) mr wonderful teammate (we shall call him douchebag)starts griping about the noob (me) on his team, and why all the low levels are trying the arena out. Pointing out the obvious to him (it is skill based more than level got the typical STFU noob comment. So long story short, he dies first (surprise, hes lvl 10) and starts spamming for res. Over and over and over. Being the kind soul I am, I proceed to layeth the smack on the other team, killing two out of the four - we win the match. Non stop do I hear about how he should have been res'ed. Next match he dies first again, spams the res' and since none was forth coming in the .3 seconds after his demands, he quits the arena. We win again. After we win kindly whisper to him , thanking him for leaving so we can get a teammate. Kind of surprised when I didn't hear anything back....

Short answer - ignore em. Sometimes just move to a new district. You'll be amazed at some of the lesser populated ones have the best people. Good luck in your journeys.

Grey Fox · May 18, 2005, 10:26 PM // 22:26

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Originally Posted by Zilm

Why vent on a group that try their best? There is a difference between venting frustration, getting a new strategy together and trying again versus swearing at the team for being f'ups, idiots, morons etc....Thats the best way to take a team that got to the final boss after the second attempt and scatter them. The party dissolved, and we were that close.

The point of my team mix was about balance. Thread after thread in this site talks about balance.

Oh no man, you misunderstood, I didn't vent on other players. I never in**** others, I just type in s**t or F**k. Then we all try to get a new strategie, but from the sound of things I have been more lucky then most people, cause till now I alwys teamed up with great people. But on the forums I see a lot of post about assholes. Maybe that will come later when I hit the hard missions.

Darkest Dawn · May 19, 2005, 01:58 AM // 01:58

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Originally Posted by PieXags

Hey, I'm arrogant!

On a different note. I know exactly what you mean. I hate it when you get the worst of players in your party, not skill-wise or experience-wise...personality wise. I can't stand it when I get an asshole on my team who randomly starts shouting about hitler and doing not-so-nice things to a certain group of people. Made me want to kill the guy so much I just left the mission 20 yards away from the end-door. I didn't want such a load of filth in my cut-scene.

Did I mention he died excessively? Yeah, it is good once you get later on in the game because you don't have so many people like that.

I think I ran into this same guy in town...... Nonstop Hitler, and racist remarks. We finally ignored him and he went away.

Jab · May 19, 2005, 02:14 AM // 02:14

Oh i got a good story about people leaving after dieing in pvp. It was a group of 5 including me. Now four of us were killed and within seconds the other 3 people quit, I was of course dead, the only one alive was a W/mo. Who had to fight 3 guys all by himself(don't remember what classes) he beat all 3 of them by himself and techincally him and I won the battle since the other 3 people quit.

DarrenJasper · May 19, 2005, 03:49 AM // 03:49

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Originally Posted by Straegen

Get a really good monk on your team (one you can trust and knows how to keep people alive) then sign up the healer henchman. For the most part, a really good monk will keep you alive when players are doing very dumb things like pulling too much.

Whoa there, leave us out of this! You think my idea of fun is getting stress lines from babysitting idgits all day?

dbodenheim · May 19, 2005, 04:29 AM // 04:29

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Hey, three rangers who can interrupt can be a lifesaver on that mission. That last boss heals like no ones business. Interupting his heals is really key. I don't care the class, as long as there are players who know what they are doing.

Rangers are strongly desired ( more then one ion group) on Thirsty River. There abilty to kill targets outside the walls and control the tempo of the fights is pretty key that mission.

Redfang · May 19, 2005, 04:44 AM // 04:44

When I was 12 years old, I was an angry, immature clueless little punk. Luckily there were no online games back then that I could make a fool of myself on. Today, there are. Just realize you can't change the world's preteens and enjoy the game as best you can despite them.

SOT · May 19, 2005, 05:56 AM // 05:56

Unfortunately for me, I have encountered nothing BUT those people in gw. Well, not really true, those in my guild have turned out to be exceptionally well adjusted people who ar ea blast to quest with. I am nowhere near ascendancy yet, but I have stated in several other forum areas about my solo crap. I have got to where I am now COMPLETELY by henchies. Only a couple of non-mega-reward quests were done with a person.

It works for me, and i don't have to really listen to all the "god45907345e" crap that those people have a coronary over.

I am sorry that you had those experiences (thread starter), and hope you can avoid it in the future.

trashbin · May 19, 2005, 11:56 AM // 11:56

I'm just much more selective about who I team with. I try most quests with henchs at least once now, that way I at least have some idea what I'm in for before trying a team. If the henchs work out, than great. Just joined a guild and have high hopes for the people in it also.

Jerks often give themselves away almost immediately on a PUG. In which case I find some diplomatic reason to leave the group immediately. No sense in being in a rush to get on the 1st team available if you’re going to be miserable there.

As far as trying to reform jerks, not worth the effort. The online game interface is to indirect to allow you to have much impact. If a 1st try at trying to get someone to mod their behavior or get them to listen doesn't work I give up and move on. I'd rather play with a noob, who makes dumb mistakes but listens and learns from them than a loud mouth jerk, or someone who refuses to listen and work with the team. I also have found that yelling or swearing back never works. When I feel an overwhelming urge to do that I just move on.

Never argue with an idiot, people may not be able to tell the difference.

Madjik · May 19, 2005, 12:09 PM // 12:09

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Originally Posted by trashbin

GW is the 1st MMORPG I'v played. I'v been on teams with a lot of abusive, arrogant, intolerant players, call them AAIPs. I've noticed these teams have very low success rates in the diffcult missions, such as those required for assension. The team rapidly fragments and disolves and is unable to learn from it's mistakes, since the AAIPs turn any attempt to discuss what went wrong into a discussion of their team members shortcomming, and their own superiority. Most of their messages degenerate into ----s at these times. It's going to take at least a few trys to get through these tough missions, a team needs to accept this and try to learn from what went wrong. I've reached the point where if I find myself on an AAIP dominated team any longer, I leave at the 1st oportunity, I won't enjoy the game, and if it's a tough mission we won't succeed.

My question is, do you think the difficulty of some of the missions, like those required for assension, is an attempt at an AAIP filter by the designers? I just got through assension, so I haven't gathered much data. However, it seems to me that an AAIP is going to have a much harder time getting through the assension quests do to their inability to work in a group effectivly. I know there were no such plyers on the teams I was in that completed the three assension quests. I would much rather have what some might call a less talented player who trys to work with the team and learn from their mistakes than AAIP superstar who can't.

What do you all think? I hope I'm right and this is the case, I certainly wouldn't mind seeing fewer of these folks and having to put up with less of their nonsense.

For those of you who find the assension missions hard, they are. However, my opinion is keep trying, but stay out of AAIP dominated groups, you'll get there with the right team.

If your one of those abusive folks, I suggest you think about your play style and try to keep your anger under control. It's only a game, are you really enjoying yourself when you get that wound up? Laugh at what happened, learn from it and move on. If you adopt the same behavior style in your real life, you are going to have a lot of real problems to deal with in life.

Heheh, and people wonder why I prefer to solo. I've meet more then my fair share of these people in almost every MMO i've played, and im just sick of 'em. Ya learn to recognize 'em quick though, and somtimes it IS worth it to stick it out and deal with it; but the success rate isnt very high.